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# Sunday, August 07, 2005

I'm never getting that time back

As always, every few years the technology tax must be paid. This past weekend I picked up a Shuttle ST20G5 from Fry’s along with a proc and 2 GB of memory. I spent a bunch o time making a bootable XP SP2 CD with the SATA driver and my Promise RAID ATA driver slipstreamed (no floppy). Thanks to nLite this was a breeze. If you ever need to make a bootable Windows CD with your drivers, custom tweaks etc this is the app to get.

Anyway, I got everything, I mean everything working. And then the fun began. I had to make S3 standby work. I correctly configured S3 in the bios, but then realized that there was a special BIOS setting to allow USB devices to wake the machine from sleep, and it was off by default. Well, I turned it on and no dice. So I went back in the bios, and saw that there was a setting to allow a PS/2 Keyboard to wake it from sleep. So I turned it on and that worked (thanks to the fact that my MS Keyboard has both USB and PS/2). Then I was like, I wonder if this is fixed in the latest bios. So I installed that. Then my Monitor would blank out every 10 or so seconds. So I went back to the original ATI drivers that came with the motherboard. Problem fixed. But, my S3 problem was still there with USB (not PS/2). I should have just called it a day. Then really weird stuff started to happen, like weird video problems and windows telling my that my user profile was busted (could not load the registry).

Argggghhhh!!!! So then I go and re-install Windows. Easy enough since I have a bootable CD with all the goods. While that’s going on, I read up on some forums and find out that the bios I am using is completely unstable, and everyone in the forums is using the original version that shipped with the PC. So I figure, I’ll be safe and roll back. Well after Windows is installed, I do just that and Windows blue screens during the update process. Now my Shuttle is a big fat paper weight and I’m never getting back those hours I just wasted.

So I took everything apart, took the RAM/CPU out (and that dammed thermal grease). Now back to Fry’s to exchange this for a new one so I can back to where I was on Saturday (where I had S3 wake working using PS/2). I like the size and quietness of this thing to much to use anything else at this point. Sigh.

I know I'm being punished.

 

Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:20:11 PM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
wake on USB is really, really hard to get working properly. It does seem to be completely dependent on the manufacturer's BIOS implementation.

I would check http://www.thegreenbutton.com forums for more on this, because sleep/wake is critical to the functionality of a MCE PC. I found the best USB/S3 info there, by far.
Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:20:54 PM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
Thank you for giving me the best reason for buying Macs that I have heard in several years.
Ralph
Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:21:43 PM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
> So I went back in the bios, and saw that there was a setting to allow a PS/2 Keyboard to wake it from sleep

Typically, there's also a mobo jumper which must be set for this to work (USB or PS2). Something about standby voltages? And it's ALWAYS off by default on all the mobos I've used, too. Worth checking.
Monday, August 08, 2005 12:28:16 AM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
But Ralph, I could have kept my Dell :-). Or purchased any other PCees. But sadly none look as nice as a Mac. The fact that I can even waste time doing this is amazing!

And tell me how you can fit a G5 in the case the size of a Shuttle? You can't get 9 fans in there :-P.
Monday, August 08, 2005 12:30:30 AM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
Jeff-

I know it's hard, which is why I've always purchased Intel Motherboards. My custom MCE and previous home PC were both Intel mobos with Intel BIOS and good old reliable engineering :-).
Monday, August 08, 2005 8:44:48 AM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
Omar: no problem, take a close look at the iMac G5 which does not have 9 fans and fits into the back of its TFT display. How cool is that?
Ralph
Monday, August 08, 2005 9:37:12 AM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
Yeah, but you're still being punished for deserting the Mac. ;-)
Paul Berkowitz
Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:30:16 AM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
Would've been easier if you had just replaced the crappy power supply in the Dell I bet.
Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:49:50 AM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
See what happens when you desert MacBU? Baaaad Mojo, man!

//k
Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:20:19 PM (Pacific Daylight Time, UTC-07:00)
There is a D.I.Y. ethic to PC enthusiasts that Mac enthusiasts probably won't ever understand:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000348.html

It's a culture thing. Sometimes to make an omelette you gotta break some eggs.. with gusto! ;)
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